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#1 DH10

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:05 PM

Seeing how successful vertical jigs are for "kingies" in New Zealand, how come I never hear much about using them for yellowtail in California or Baja?  They are very closely related fishes, I cannot see why speed jigging would not work--well--for them.

 

Is a west coast bias?  I fished down in Panama at a lodge owned by a guy who has a ton of experience on the San Diego long long range boats.  He kept talking about "Iron" and how the new fangled butterfly jigs were a marketing scam.  After we kept catching grouper, pargo and Aj's he started to change his outlook, but he still had his doubts. 

 

Just wondering....



#2 Mark Harris

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:42 PM

I suspect the west coat bias towards the old trolling techniques is at play here?

 

Not only jigging is successful with Kingfish. Casting for Kingfish is incredibly popular in both Japan and New Zealand and whole ranges of high end rods are made for that specific purpose (egh Carpenter Blue Chasers).  I have little doubt that there is a whole casting (popping) and jigging Kingfish fishery to be opened up on the west coast.  Over to you Kil :)


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#3 Milkman

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 04:31 AM

I think that guys Like Chris Wong, Mogi San, Kil etc - starting introducing New Zealanders to the Japanese Mechanical Jigging Technique (which is not the same as speed jigging) many years ago - so it has had a long time to grow up over time, and attract more anglers to the technique + it is hugley successful!

 

yes I do believe that the species of "YelllowTail" in California is very similar to our "Kingfish" found in New Zealand.  I think even more closely related to each other than those found in Japan.

 

Here's a Tip: you guys need to try the Zest Jigs for your Yellowtail... they rock!



#4 Chief

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:37 PM

Im on the west coast and ya vertical jigging dose work with the yellows pretty good.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:40 PM

and kingfish is the same thing as yellowtail.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:40 PM

The Yellowtail Amberjack.



#7 Mark Harris

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:27 AM

Chief is quite correct. California Yellowtail, Giant Yellowtail, Kingfish, Northern Kingfish, Yellowtail Amberjack..... all common names for exactly the same fish: Seriola lalandi.



#8 johndtuttle

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:58 PM

Vertical jigging is common for Yellowtail on the Long Range and local fleets out of southern california.

 

But there are significant head winds:

 

1. Traditional SoCal iron is VERY effective and the jigs are cheap.

 

2. Traditional SoCal rods for fishing traditional iron are long (7') and the reels are heavy (4/0). Consequently they are a poor choice for Asian "mechanical" jigging styles and people stick to what they have. The long length means most people just point the rod straight at the jig and wind.

 

3. So, really, there is no strict need due to the effectiveness of the lures already being used and you are asking guys to buy new rods and reels (this was the Shimano plan all along) to fish the new style.

 

4. Rarely will Asian Style vertical jigs outfish SoCal iron. If conditions are right (fish are deep and the current is ripping) then vertical jigging is superior as the jigs are denser and get deep faster. In a "scratch" bite this may make a difference over the day. But reality is fishing for Yellowtail is often WFO on the LR fleet and you can catch FAR MORE than you can keep and at the end of most trips people are sick of pulling on so many yellowtail.

 

5. What is truly superior are the Asian style vertical jigging rods as they are so incredibly light. Mate one with a modern small 2-speed reel and you have a better system than the 6'6"-7' traditional rods mated with a relatively high speed reel with relatively poor cranking power.

 

A Black Hole 250gm and an Accurate DPX2 600NN is so easy to fish and land YT on as to be almost cheating. You can fish SoCal jigs or the latest from FCLLabo and outperform anything else out there, imo. The difference in the jigs is apples to oranges most days. The differnence in the modern rod and reel setup to old school rod and reels is lightyears in performance.

 

best


Edited by johndtuttle, 22 April 2013 - 03:01 PM.


#9 West Coast Jig Angler

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:38 AM

California yellowtail and New Zealand (Australia) King Fish are the same fish, but they grow much larger in New Zealand. Not uncommon to encounter a 100lb fish! West Coast guys have gone over there and have done very well using West Coast Heavy "yo yo" jigs. West Coast surface iron has also done well, when the opportunity of breaking fish presents itself.

 

West Coast iron is designed to flutter on the way down and swim on the retrieve. It allows the angler to cover more ground, as it is simply sinking down and winding back fast enough to make the jig move side to side. Cover the zone ( sonar marks) and drop back to down and repeat. When you get hit, just wind fast to pick up line and this will set the hook. Violent hook sets may cause you to miss the fish.

 

With surface iron, you'll cast to the target and wind at a slow to medium speed to make the lure move side to side. The lure will swim about 6 to 8 inches below the surface. You can let it sink if desired, but the lure will eventually plane to the surface. Most West Coast guys use long 9 to 10 ft rods for surface iron to maximize casting distance.

 

Kilsong carries  Tady West Coast heavy "yo yo"  jigs and Tady Surface jigs. Check his website.

 

 



#10 Chief

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:44 AM

Jig angler is right 8-10 foot rods cast it as far as you can and reel like there is no tomorrow once he hits it you either set the hook as hard as you can or keep reeling until you cant...and trust me it will stop u  :startle:

 

 

Im gonna be using a JM PS 200gram with a accurate 500n on the tuna and dorado should be a fun fight   :thumbsu:

 

 

most popular color for the irons over here are---- Bird Shit, Scrambled Eggs, Mackerel, and Calico... and have your rod no lighter  Medium Heavy for casting your gonna want that stiff tip to cast that fucker out there



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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:56 AM

and the best Iron Slingin reels - Daiwa Saltist 20,30,40H (highspeed) - Newell 220,229,332,338,344 and try to look for the "P" series - Pro Gear Yellowtail special,Albacore Special,251,255 - And last but not least Shimano Trinidad 12,14,16,20,30,40 (the 16 and 40 come in a narrow size)



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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:00 PM

Look at these links for more info

 

 

http://www.bdoutdoor...a-surface-iron/

 

 

http://www.bdoutdoor...g-surface-iron/






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